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nbme22/Block 4/Question#31 (reveal difficulty score)
A 65-year-old man comes to the emergency ...
Crackles ๐Ÿ” / ๐Ÿ“บ / ๐ŸŒณ / ๐Ÿ“–
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submitted by โˆ—usmleuser007(464)
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Just note why other answers are not correct:

  1. Egophony is an increased resonance of voice sounds heard when auscultating the lungs, often caused by lung consolidation and fibrosis.

    • a. It is due to enhanced transmission of high-frequency sound across fluid, such as in abnormal lung tissue, with lower frequencies filtered out.
  2. Whispered pectoriloquy refers to an increased loudness of whispering noted during auscultation with a stethoscope on the lung fields on a patientโ€™s torso.

    • a. Usually spoken sounds of a whispered volume by the patient would not be heard by the clinician auscultating a lung field with a stethoscope.

    • b. However, in areas of the lung where there is lung consolidation, these whispered spoken sounds by the patient (such as saying โ€˜ninety-nineโ€™) will be clearly heard through the stethoscope.

    • c. This increase in sound exists because sound travels faster and thus with lower loss of intensity through liquid or solid (โ€œfluid massโ€ or โ€œsolid mass,โ€ respectively, in the lung) versus gaseous (air in the lung) media.

    • d. Whispered pectoriloquy is a clinical test typically performed during a medical physical examination to evaluate for the presence of lung consolidation, which could be caused by cancer (solid mass) or pneumonia (fluid mass).

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titanesxvi  why not wheezing? +
miriamp3  @titanesxvi because the dx is CHF +1
leaf_house  I get why crackles are more likely in CHF, but wouldn't it also cause whispered pectoriloquy, if fluid allows better transmission of sound? +
weirdmed51  @tita wheeze is asthma +
umpalumpa  Guys, why not whispered pectoriloquy, egophony? FA2020 pg680: pulmonary edema causes "bronchial breath sounds, late inspiratory crackles, whispered pectoriloquy" +1



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submitted by โˆ—asharm10(37)
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S3--> dilated cardiomyopathy (eccentric)--> systolic failure--> blood builds up--> increase hydrostatic pressure in pulmonary vessels--> exudate--> crackles

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submitted by โˆ—taediggity(44)
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2/6 systolic murmur over the left sternal border,an S3 (increased LV filling), low 02 sat, figured this patient had hypertrophic cardiomyopathy and early signs of CHF, so the answer was crackles from the pulmonary edema from fluid back up from the HF as brise pointed out below the 1st comment.

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samadmom  I believe this patient actually has dilated cardiomyopathy (as opposed to hypertrophic) due to his age, HTN, presence of S3 (hypertrophic usually has S4), and also his murmur. The murmur indicates mitral regurg, the tip-off was "radiating to the axilla". Because the stem states that the PMI is diffuse this can lead us to think that his heart has enlarged in an unpredictable way (ie. making it acceptable that the placement of the murmur is different from where we expect). Lastly, secondary mitral regurg is an indicator of poor prognosis for HF. Once the ventricle has dilated to such a point, the mitral leaflets are unable to properly close and perpetuate the backward flow of blood. Hope this helps! +2



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submitted by โˆ—zevvyt(45)
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You dont really need to know the murmur to get the question right, but I'm confused about the murmur. It sounds like Mitral Regurgitation. So why is it in the left sternal border and not the apex?

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madamestep  Maybe it's heard best at the apex, but you could also hear it at the LLSB? +



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submitted by nootnootpenguinn(9)
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FA 2019 page 306, under "Heart failure"

"Clinical syndrome of cardiac pump dysfunction --> congestion and low perfusion. Symptoms include dyspnea, orthopnea, fatigue; signs include S3 heart sound, rales (aka crackles), jugular venous distention (JVD), pitting edema."

Yeah, I forgot that rales = crackles... why can't they just stick with ONE terminology... anyway. Hope this helps.

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submitted by โˆ—mattnatomy(46)
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Crackles either indicates chronic bronchitis or consolidation (from pneumonia or pulmonary edema).

Given that there's only a 1 day history of SOB, I'm leaning more towards lobar pneumonia. Maybe that's also what's causing the S3 at the LLSB? If it's Staph Aureus, I guess we could be looking at acute endocarditis + pneumonia? Or Q Fever? But that's just speculation. Could also just be that the lung consolidation is altering blood flow, leading to the back up into the Right Atrium & Ventricle.

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brise  Patient has CHF from the S3 heart sound and has MR. You hear fine crackles in early congestive heart failure. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4518345/ +16
usmleuser007  No Infection - normal temps ; Q-fever presents with A patient with exposure to waste from farm animals who develops: a. nonspecific illness (myalgias, fatigue, fever [>10 days], b. retroorbital headache) c. normal leukocyte count d. Thrombocytopenia e. increased liver enzymes +
saulgoodman  This patient has CHF. But it kind of sort of seems like he's presenting with a PE. +



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